๐ค Interview with satoyama note
2024ๅนด 2ๆ 18ๆฅWe spoke with nyacchu and michi of satoyama note about making games that capture the feeling of the present-day Japanese countryside in the lovely visual novel, Satoyama Note: Natsukusa Komichi!
English (translated)
Translated by Renkon
(2024) ้ๅฑฑใฎใใจ ๅค่ใใฟใก (Satoyama Note: Natsukusa Komichi)
Please tell us a little bit about yourselves.
#We are a two-person team working under the name satoyama note. nyacchu is in charge of programming and overall management. michi is a homo sapien who is good at drawing. Incidentally, the "note" part of our name means both "note" and "sound." (ed note: the second part of their team name in Japanese is ใฎใใจ, "nooto," which can also be read as ใฎ้ณ "no oto," meaning "sound.")
How did you get started making games?
#nyacchu: I created a game in Unity to use in my portfolio. After that, I participated several times in an event called Unity1Week, a one-week game jam on a website called Unity Room. I tried making games in a bunch of different genres, and gained experience expressing myself in a variety of ways.
michi: nyacchu encouraged me to join in. I felt that a game would give more room for expression myself than drawing a single picture.
Can you tell us about some of your favorite games and genres?
#nyacchu: I like moon and other works by the same creators, the Shenmue series, and more recently, OU. I like all kinds of games regardless of genre, but I like works that emphasize having a story to tell.
michi: I recently played ใใใใๅๅ ด (Yuru Yuru Gekijo, easygoing theater). I like unconventional works with a sense of gentleness.
Please tell us about Satoyama Note: Natsukusa Komichi!
#It's a novel game about creatures that live in the satoyama. Tanuki, foxes, frogs, and humans appear in the game. Scattered throughout the story are pages from a satoyama field guide, which the players collect in order to take on the satoyama exam in the form of a quiz. That's the gist of it. All of the pictures are hand-drawn sumi-e illustrations. The background music is a live recording of a shinobue, and the environmental sounds were recorded when visiting an actual satoyama.
Can you tell us about the process of making Natsukusa Komichi? Was it different from the way you approached making your other games?
#For the story, we decided to portray the life and creatures of the modern countryside (satoyama). When we looked around at other games in production, we found some that portray country life as a nostalgic experience, but couldn't find any that depict rural life in modern times.
We worked on it over weekends at a slow pace, so it took about one year to complete. We did a lot of trial-and-error along the way, including changing the game engine from Unity to Ren'Py, and switched our artwork from digital to analog illustrations.
At the same time as those changes, since we were trying to draw satoyama life, we decided to make our audio and visual materials by hand as much as possible.
As for the text, first michi would think of the story while drawing pictures, and then added in text later.
What was your greatest influence when making Natsukusa Komichi?
#The movie Pom Poko, the novel ่ น้ผ่จ (Fukkoki) by Hisashi Inoue, the games Machi and ๅนณๆ ๆฐใป้ฌผใถๅณถ (Heisei Shin Onigashima), and the music of Shang Shang Typhoon.
I thought the music really matched the atmosphere and was very pleasant. Can you tell us about the instrument you used and about playing this music?
#It is a Japanese musical instrument called a shinobue. It is often played by children and adults alike at local shrines for lion dances and other festivals, making it the most familiar-sounding flute. My first encounter with this flute when I was put in charge of playing it for a festival.
I thought this game portrays the everyday lives of people in the countryside, filtered through the perspective of Fox and Tanuki. Did you draw on your own life experiences? If you don't mind my asking, could you tell us about your hometowns?
#michi: I spent my childhood in the Kitauonuma region of Niigata. People, nature, snow, and everything exists together there, and people are directly impacted by nature and the weather.
nyacchu: I grew up in Gunma Prefecture in a city called Maebashi. There are things like the Daruma Market and plenty of festivals, and I often visited them.
I thought the Tanuki University exam was quite charming, and gave me an interesting opportunity to learn about life in the satoyama. How did you come up with this type of game system?
#At first, we only planned to tell a story following the lives of Tanuki-kun and the other creatures, and we hadn't planned on the Tanuki University. However, we decided to make Tanuki-kun a university student and added in the school because we thought that by having Tanuki-kun mimic humans, people would be able to observe the origins of human society and human lifestyles.
We first created a system where players would read pages of a satoyama field guide with explanations of terms and other information by clicking on words in the text. We added a quiz game in the form of the Satoyama Test to necessitate reading through the field guide. You don't necessarily get a high score on the Satoyama Test if you are know a lot. I thought it would be interesting if people who thought things like, "I happened to see my grandpa doing this," could get a high score.
What was the most challenging part of making Natsukusa Komichi?
#As we were working on this, we realized how good it felt to combine still images and sound. So as much as possible, instead of using free assets, we went outdoors and made our own recordings. We recorded the sounds of the festival and fireworks by actually recording at to those locations, and through this we were able to create a sense of authenticity.
I was impressed with the amount of information and the various entries and descriptions. Did you do any research when creating this game? What kind of research did you do?
#For the satoyama field guide, we created it while looking up local history books and other sources. Both of us also did fieldwork in biology when we were students, so the book is based on our experiences working outdoors. One reference book we found that covered both the biological and cultural aspects of tanuki was ใฟใใญๅญฆๅ ฅ้ (Tanuki Nyuumon) by Seiki Takatsuki, and that was very useful.
The art style in Natsukusa Komichi uses a sumi-e art style throughout, which I thought gave the game a real sense of warmth. Can you tell us about the artwork?
#I made them by grinding the ink out of inkstones and using two brushes (one with a fine tip and a large brush). The brush is thick and soft, and by applying different amounts of force, there are many ways of expressing oneself through sumi-e.
Is there anything in Natsukusa Komichi to which you want to draw the player's attention?
#I tried to leave empty margins to allow the player to imagine the parts of the picture that are not drawn in. I think there are many pictures that are too busy, so it's hard to see characters like Frog because they blend into the background. However, unlike humans, wild creatures are hard to see. You may catch glimpses of them in the forest, or they may run away. I tried to depict the creatures in this manner, which means that they are sometimes difficult to make out.
(2021) ใญใใใจใฟใใญใ~ๆขใใใฎ่ฆใคใใฆใใพใๆขใใฎๅทป~ (Fox and Tanuki: Find and Seek)
You two have released other games in the past featuring Tanuki and Fox. Can we expect to see them in another game someday?
#Yes! Tanuki and Fox will also appear in our next title. We want people to pay attention to other creatures as well, so we plan to have a variety of them in our cast.
Do you have any indie games that you'd like to shout out? What do you like about them?
#I would like to recommend OU. I like games that change the way I see reality when I finish, and I believe OU does exactly that. The illustrations and the storytelling are gentle, and so I think this is a title that I can recommend to everyone, from children to adults.
(2021) ใฟใใญใใใฎๆฅใใใฝ (Tanuki's Spring Walk)
Can you tell us about other games you worked on in the past?
#We publish small games on a site called Unity Room. These are games that we made in about a week for a game jam called Unity1Week. Some of these games have rough patches, but there are several pieces that depict the satoyama in the same world as Natsukusa Komichi. You can play them for free in your browser, so please check them out.
Can you tell us about anything you are currently working on?
#We would like to not only make games, but also illustrations and miniature saijiki seasonal almanacs. This time we made a story in the summer, so we plan to create proper games for the other seasons when they occur!
(2021) ใญใใใจใฟใใญ ใ็ฅ้ ใ้ ๆด (Fox and Tanuki: Please Give Us Sake)
Do you have any messages for your players?
#It is fun to look at the events, lives, and relationships with living creatures in the area we call the satoyama. In the process of making this work, we also enjoyed the process of looking into these things.
This is not a story from a long-ago time, but one that could be about these actual regions right now. There is still so much that we don't know.
We hope that after playing this game, you will become interested in the satoyama, do some research, and go and check them out for yourself.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!
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#ใซใ ใฃใกใ ๏ผใใผใใใฉใชใชใจใใฆUnityใงใฒใผใ ใ1ใคไฝๆใใฆใฟใใฎใใใฃใใใงใใใใฎๅพใUnity Roomใจใใใตใคใใง่กใใใฆใใใUnity1Weekใจใใ1้ฑ้ใงใฒใผใ ใไฝใใคใใณใใซไฝๅใๅๅ ใใพใใใใใใง่ฒใ ใชใธใฃใณใซใฎใฒใผใ ใไฝใฃใฆใฟใใใใฆใ่ฒใ ใช่กจ็พใใงใใใใจใไฝ้จใใพใใใ
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#ใซใใฃใกใ ๏ผใmoonใใจใใฎในใฟใใใ้ขใใไฝๅใใใทใงใณใ ใผใ ใทใชใผใบใๆ่ฟใงใฏใOUใใๅฅฝใใงใใใธใฃใณใซๅใใๅฅฝใใงใใใใใฎไฝๅใงไฝใ่ชใใใฆใใใใ้่ฆใใพใใญใ
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ใใฎๅบฆใฎใ้ๅฑฑใฎใใจ ๅค่ใใฟใกใใจใใไฝๅใซใคใใฆใ็ดนไปใ้กใใใพใใ
#้ๅฑฑใงๆฎใใ็ใ็ฉใๆใใใใซใฒใผใ ใงใใใฟใใญใใญใใใใซใจใซใใใใ็ปๅ ดใใพใใ็ฉ่ชใฎๆ็ซ ใฎไธญใซใฏ้ๅฑฑๅณ้ใใกใใฐใฃใฆใใฆใใใใ้ใใฆใฏใคใบๅฝขๅผใฎ้ๅฑฑใในใใซๆๆฆใใใใจใใๅ ๅฎนใงใใ็ตตใฏใในใฆๆๆธใใฎๅขจ็ตตใงใใBGMใฏ็ฏ ็ฌใง็ๆผๅฅใใใใฎใ็ฐๅข้ณใฏๅฎ้ใซ้ๅฑฑใซ่กใฃใฆ้ฒ้ณใใใใฎใงใใ
ใๅค่ใใฟใกใใไฝใใจใใซใใฉใฎใใใชใใญใปในใงไฝๆใใพใใใใไปใฎใฒใผใ ใไฝใใจใใจไฝใ้ใใใใใพใใใ
#็ฉ่ชใซใคใใฆใฏใ็พไปฃใฎ็ฐ่๏ผ้ๅฑฑ๏ผใฎๆฎใใใ็ใ็ฉใๆใใจใใใใจใๆฑบใใฆใใพใใใไปใใไปใฎใฒใผใ ไฝๅใ่ฆๆธกใใฆใฟใใจใใในใฟใซใธใผใจใใฆใฎ็ฐ่ๆฎใใใๆใใไฝๅใฏใใใฎใงใใใไปใใๅฐๆนใฎๆฎใใใใใฎใพใพๆใใไฝๅใ็กใใชใจๆใฃใฆใใใใใงใใ
ๅถไฝๆ้ใฏ้ฑๆซใซใใฃใใไฝๆฅญใใใใใผในใง1ๅนดใใใใงใใใ้ไธญใ่ฉฆ่ก้ฏ่ชคใใใใใฒใผใ ใจใณใธใณใUnityใใRen'Pyใธๅคๆดใใใใ็ตตใใใธใฟใซใใใขใใญใฐใซๅคๆดใใใใใพใใใ
ใใฎๅคๆดใฎใฟใคใใณใฐใงใ้ๅฑฑใๆใใใใซใฏ็ตตใ้ณใฎ็ด ๆใฏๅบๆฅใ้ใๆไฝใใใใใจๆฑบใใพใใใ
ๆ็ซ ใซใคใใฆใฏใๆๅใซ็พๆบใใใ็ฉ่ชใๆใๆใใชใใ็ตตใๆใใๅพใใๆ็ซ ใๅ ฅใใฆใใใจใใ้ ็ชใงไฝใใพใใใ
ใๅค่ใใฟใกใใไฝๆใใใซใใใใๆใๅฝฑ้ฟใๅใใใใฎใฏไฝใงใใใ
#ๆ ็ปใงใฏ ใๅนณๆ็ธๅๆฆใฝใใฝใใใๅฐ่ชฌใงใฏใ่ น้ผ่จใ๏ผไบไธใฒใใ่๏ผใใฒใผใ ใงใฏใ่กใใใๅนณๆ ๆฐใป้ฌผใถๅณถใใ้ณๆฅฝใงใฏใไธใ ้ขฑ้ขจใใงใใ
ไฝไธญใซๆตใใ้ณๆฅฝใ้ฐๅฒๆฐใซๅใฃใฆใใฆๆฅฝใใๆฐๅใซใชใใพใใใไฝฟ็จใใๆฅฝๅจใใใฎๆผๅฅใซใคใใฆๆใใฆใใ ใใใ
#็ฏ ็ฌใจใใๅๆฅฝๅจใงใใใใๅฐๅใฎ็ ๅญ่ใ็ฅๆฅฝใชใฉใฎ็ฅญใใงๅญไพใใๅคงไบบใพใงๆผๅฅใใใฎใงใๆใ่บซ่ฟใชใซใปใใฎ็ฌใงใใญใใ็ฅญใใง็ฌใๆ ๅฝใใใฎใๅบไผใใงใใ
ใฟใใญใใญใใใฎ่ฆ็นใงใใใชใใใ็ฐ่ใฎไบบ้ใฎ็ๆดปใ่ฆใใไฝๅใจๆใใพใใใใใใฏใๆฌไบบใฎ็ต้จใใใใใใฎใงใใใใใใใใใใใฐใไบไบบใฎๆ ้ทใซใคใใฆๆใใฆใใ ใใใ
#็พๆบ๏ผๆฐๆฝใฎๅ้ญๆฒผๅฐๅใงๅนผๅฐๆใ้ใใใพใใใไบบใ่ช็ถใ้ชใไฝใใใไธ็ทใใใซๅญๅจใใไบบใ ใฏ่ช็ถใๆฐ่ฑกใฎๅฝฑ้ฟใ็ดใซๅใใพใใ
ใซใใฃใกใ ๏ผๅใฏ็พค้ฆฌ็ใฎๅๆฉใจใใ้ฝๅธ้จใง่ฒใกใพใใใใ ใใพๅธใชใฉใใ็ฅญใใฏใใใใใใฃใใฎใงใใใ่กใฃใฆใใพใใใญใ
็ธๅคงๅญฆใฎ่ฉฆ้จใจใใๅฝขใใใจใฆใใใใใ้ๅฑฑใฎๆๅใ็ฅใใใฃใใใซใใชใใ่ๅณๆทฑใใจๆใใพใใใใใฎใใใชใฒใผใ ใทในใใ ใซ่ณใฃใ็ต็ทฏใซใคใใฆๆใใฆใใ ใใใ
#ๆๅใฏใฟใใญใใใใฏใใใ็็ฉใใกใฎๆฎใใใ่ฟฝใ็ฉ่ชใฎใฟใงใ็ธๅคงๅญฆใฏ็กใไบๅฎใงใใใใใใใฟใใญใใใๅคงๅญฆ็ใซใใใฟใใญใซไบบ็ไผผใใใใใใจใงใไบบใฎ็คพไผใๆฎใใใฎๆใ็ซใกใๅฎข่ฆณ่ฆใใฆใใใใใใใใชใใใจๆใๅคงๅญฆใไปใๅ ใใพใใใ
ๆ็ซ ไธญใฎๆๅญใ้ธๆใใใจ็จ่ช่งฃ่ชฌใชใฉใๆธใใใ้ๅฑฑๅณ้ใ่ชญใใใจใใใทในใใ ใฏๆๅใซไฝๆใใฆใใพใใใใใฎๅณ้ใ่ชญใใใจใซๅฟ ่ฆๆงใๆใใใใใจๆใใ้ๅฑฑใในใใจใใๅฝขใงใฏใคใบใฒใผใ ใ่ฟฝๅ ใใพใใใ้ๅฑฑใในใใฏ็ฅ่ญใใใไบบใ้ซๅพ็นใจใฏ้ใใพใใใใใพใใพใใใใกใใใใใใใฃใฆใใฎใ่ฆใฆใใใใจใใใใใไบบใ้ซๅพ็นใๅใใใจใใใ้ข็ฝใใใชใจใ
ใๅค่ใใฟใกใใไฝๆใใใซใใใๆใๆๆฆใใใใจใชใฉใฏใใใพใใใ
#ไฝใฃใฆใใใใกใซ้ๆญข็ปใจ้ณใ็ตใฟๅใใใๆฐๆใกใใใซๆฐไปใใพใใใใใใงใชใในใใใชใผ็ด ๆใไฝฟใใใซ้ๅคใซ้ฒ้ณใใซ่กใใพใใใ็ฅญใใ่ฑ็ซใฎ้ณใๅฎ้ใซ็พๅฐใง้ฒใฃใใฎใง่จๅ ดๆใๅบใใใจๆใใพใใ
ใๅค่ใใฟใกใใฏใใใใใใฎๆ ๅ ฑใจใใฎ่ชฌๆๆใ้ญ ๅ็ใงใใใใใฎใฒใผใ ใไฝใใซใใใฆไฝใ่ชฟในใใๅญฆใใ ใใใใใจใฏใใใพใใใใฉใฎใใใซ่ชฟๆปใใพใใใใ
#้ๅฑฑๅณ้ใซใคใใฆใฏใๅฐๆนใฎๆญณๆ่จใชใฉ่ชฟในใชใใไฝใใพใใใใพใ2ไบบใจใๅญฆ็ๆไปฃใซ็็ฉๅญฆ็ณปใฎใใฃใผใซใใฏใผใฏใใใฆใใใฎใง้ๅคใงใฎ็ต้จใๅ ใจใชใฃใฆใใพใใๅ่ๆธ็ฑใ1ใคๆใใพใใจใใฟใใญใฎ็็ฉ้ขใๆๅ้ขใฎไธกๆนใซใคใใฆๆธใใใใใฟใใญๅญฆๅ ฅ้ใ๏ผ้ซๆงป ๆ็ด่๏ผใฏใจใฆใๅ่ใซใชใใพใใใ
ใๅค่ใใฟใกใใฏใๅขจ็ตตใง็ตฑไธใใใใใใไฝใๆธฉใใฟใฎใใใชใใฎใๆใใพใใใใฉใใใ้ขจใซๆใใฆใใพใใใ
#็กฏใงๅขจใใใใ็ญไบๆฌ๏ผ็ดฐ็ญใๅคง็ญ๏ผใงๆใใฆใใพใใๆฐดๅขจ็ปใฎ็ญใฏๅคชใๆใใใใๅใฎๅ ฅใๅ ทๅใง่กจๆ ่ฑใใช่กจใๆนใใงใใพใใ
ใๅค่ใใฟใกใใซใใใฆใใใฌใคใคใผใซไผใใใใใ ใใฃใใใคใณใใชใฉใใใพใใใ
#ๆใใใฆใใชใใจใใใๆณๅใงใใใใใชไฝ็ฝใฎใใๆๆใ็ตตใซใใพใใใใซใจใซใใใชใฉใฎ็ใ็ฉใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใ่ๆฏใซ็ดใใฆ่ฆ่ชใใฅใใ็ตตใๅคใ ใใใจๆใใพใใใใใ้็็็ฉใฏไบบใจใฏ้ใ่ฆใใฅใใใใฎใงใใๆใฎไธญใใไฝใฎไธ้จใ ใ่ฆใใฆใใใใ้ใใฆใใพใฃใใใใใใใใใฎใใใใฆใใฎใพใพ่ฆใใฅใใๆใใพใใใ
(2021) ใญใใใจใฟใใญใ~ๆขใใใฎ่ฆใคใใฆใใพใๆขใใฎๅทป~
ใๅค่ใใฟใกใไปฅๅคใซใใฟใใญๅใใญใใๅใ็ปๅ ดใใใฒใผใ ใๅ ฌ้ใใใฆใใพใใใใพใใใคใๅฅใฎใฒใผใ ใธใฎ็ปๅ ดใๆๅพ ใใฆใใใใงใใใ
#ใฏใ๏ผๆฌกๅไฝใซใใฟใใญใใใจใญใใใใใฏ็ปๅ ดใใพใใไปใฎ็ใ็ฉใซใๆณจ็ฎใใฆใปใใใฎใงใใใใใใช็ใ็ฉใ็ปๅ ดใใใไบๅฎใงใใ
ใใใใใฎใคใณใใฃใผใฒใผใ ใฏใใใพใใใใใใใใฎใใคใณใใๆใใฆใใ ใใใ
#ใOUใใใใใใใใใใงใใๅใฏใใฌใคใ็ตใใๅพใซ็พๅฎใฎ่ฆใๆนใๅคใใใใใชไฝๅใๅฅฝใใชใฎใงใใใใใใฏใใใใฃใไฝๅใ ใจๆใใพใใ็ตตใ่ชใๆนใใใใใใฎใงใใใฉใใใใใจใชใพใงใในใฆใฎไบบใซใใใใใใไฝๅใ ใจๆใใพใใ
(2021) ใฟใใญใใใฎๆฅใใใฝ
ใใใใใใใใฐใใใไปฅๅคใซไฝๆใใใฒใผใ ใซใคใใฆใ็ดนไปใ้กใใใพใใ
#Unity Roomใจใใใตใคใใงใๅฐใใชไฝๅใๅ ฌ้ใใฆใใพใใใใใใฏUnity1Weekใจใใใฒใผใ ใธใฃใ ใงใใปใผ1้ฑ้ใงไฝใฃใไฝๅใงใใไฝใใ็ฒใใจใใใฏใใใพใใใไปไฝใจๅใไธ็่ฆณใง้ๅฑฑใๆใใไฝๅใใใใคใใใใพใใใใฉใฆใถไธใง็กๆใงใใฌใคใงใใพใใฎใงใใใใฃใใ้ใใงใฟใฆใใ ใใใ
ไปใฏใฉใฎใใใชใใญใธใงใฏใใ้ฒใใฆใใพใใใไปไฝใฃใฆใใใฒใผใ ใ็ตต็ปใๆดปๅใใใใใใใใใฐใ็ดนไปใ้กใใใพใใ
#ใฒใผใ ใซ้ใใใใคใฉในใใๆญณๆ่จใใใใใฏใชใฉใไฝใใใใงใใไปๅใฏๅคใฎใ่ฉฑใ ใฃใใฎใงใใใฎๆใใฎๆใฎๅๅญฃใซใกใชใใ ใฒใผใ ใๅถไฝใใไบๅฎใงใ๏ผ
(2021) ใญใใใจใฟใใญ ใ็ฅ้ ใ้ ๆด
ใใฌใคใคใผใฎ็ใใใธไฝใใกใใปใผใธใใใใฐไธ่จใ้กใใใพใใ
#้ๅฑฑใจๅผใฐใใฆใใๅฐๅใฎ่กไบใใ็ๆดปใ็ใ็ฉใจใฎ้ขไฟใ่ฆใฆใใใฎใฏ้ข็ฝใใงใใไปไฝใไฝใ้็จใงใๅใใๆฅฝใใฟใชใใ่ชฟในใพใใใ
ใใใฏๆ่ฉฑใงใฏใชใใไปใๅฎ้ใซๅฐๆนใง่กใใใฆใใใใจใชใฎใงใใใพใ ใพใ ็ฅใใชใใใจใใใฃใฑใใงใใ
ไปไฝใใใฌใคใใใใจใ้ๅฑฑใซ่ๅณใๆใฃใฆ่ชฟในใใใๅบใใใฆใฟใใใใใใฃใใใซใชใใฐใใใใใงใใญใ